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SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - Printable Version +- JapCarForum (https://www.japcarforum.com) +-- Forum: Cars, Cars, Cars! (https://www.japcarforum.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=11) +--- Forum: Project Cars (https://www.japcarforum.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=156) +--- Thread: SPC Horsham Project IS 550 (/showthread.php?tid=906) |
SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - Sparkystav - 19-10-2017 looks good lads! SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - SPChorsham.com - 20-10-2017 dimis Good to hear this. :w00t: I cannot believe that OEM rods can handle so much power! Hi Dimis, regarding your concern over the strength of the std conrods. I have seen a few failed motors the same as I guess you and most other people have on the internet on various forums. All the failures IMO have been down to piston failure and not the conrod. What I mean by this is that the piston below the pin has failed due to either over rev or detonation pressure causing the pin to part company with the piston. The rod and pin then flails round until the top of the rod literally parts company as it has no option but to do so. The remaining section of rod then punches through the water jacket and outer block face. IMO I think that even at the boost level we are currently running ( 1bar ) the rods should be safe with the std factory rev limit imposed by the std ecu. The killer for conrods is rpm not boost. The factory 1g gte conrods all be it visually superior are IMO probably not the saving point as it is more likely the pistons ( 1g gte ) that are helping the cause. However you can guess what parts we stock in uprated quality materials. Regards Ike SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - steviewevie - 20-10-2017 SPChorsham.com Hi Dimis, regarding your concern over the strength of the std conrods. I have seen a few failed motors the same as I guess you and most other people have on the internet on various forums. All the failures IMO have been down to piston failure and not the conrod. What I mean by this is that the piston below the pin has failed due to either over rev or detonation pressure causing the pin to part company with the piston. The rod and pin then flails round until the top of the rod literally parts company as it has no option but to do so. The remaining section of rod then punches through the water jacket and outer block face.Interesting info Ike, thanks :thumbup1: If it's the pistons/pins that are the problem, how is your motor going to handle the power running on standard pistons/pins ? Or have those been changed ? SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - Bandit - 20-10-2017 Figures are looking good guys :thumbup1: Holds boost nicely to the redline too
SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - SPChorsham.com - 20-10-2017 steviewevie Interesting info Ike, thanks :thumbup1: Hi Steve, maybe I have not made myself clear. The problem with the pins / piston failures IMO are, and have been, caused by excessive rpm and or det, not boost. You can push as hard as want within reason and the rod will not fail in normal service. So, as the std factory ecu is still controling the rpm limit in our car, at present I see no issues regarding pins and pistons. Regards Ike SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - steviewevie - 20-10-2017 SPChorsham.com maybe I have not made myself clear. The problem with the pins / piston failures IMO are, and have been, caused by excessive rpm and or det, not boost. You can push as hard as want within reason and the rod will not fail in normal service. So, as the std factory ecu is still controling the rpm limit in our car, at present I see no issues regarding pins and pistons. Thanks Ike, I see what you mean now. SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - SPChorsham.com - 20-10-2017 Marsdendean So does that mean the cars which have failed in the past could been pushed beyond the 6250RPM limit and thats whats made them fail? Hi, again, IMO it is a combination of rpm limit and / or detonation caused by possible mapping ineptitude and lack of understanding of the ecu's most/all of these were fitted with. We have the luxury of being able to access all these ecu's and for sure the answer lies mostly within. This, maybe interpreted any way you so wish. Regards Ike SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - steviewevie - 20-10-2017 Marsdendean That means about as much as servicing manual for a shredding machine! Thanks for the information thou, im sure someone can explain it to me in *thick* terms!! He is saying that someone else cocked up :lol: SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - Sparkystav - 20-10-2017 Marsdendean Thanks a lot Steve!!! Something about denotation and combination of RPM limits was thrown in and it lost me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_knocking that should help mate. basically hes saying bad mapping caused the problems, not over boost SPC Horsham Project IS 550 - FirebirdPhil - 21-10-2017 I think Ike has proven that it is the mapping that is the key - not the pistons/rods etc. Far to clever for me that man:Shooting: |